Ideas will never reflect life. Life is too complicated, too vast. The significance of this is that you begin to respect your life entirely, and in the same way you respect others’ lives also. You will never look down on anyone because you have touched the foundation where you have seen how impossible it is for you to capture life with thoughts and ideas. Your knowledge is always limited and fragmented.
The concept that “everything is material” was very important to U.G. Krishnamurti. “Thought is matter,” and our concept of time is created in us by our thought, therefore everything is material. There is nothing spiritual and there is nothing to our images. The movement that generates the energy that powerfully beats inside the body is the prime mover of life. That is the whole thing. If this becomes your meditation, you will be surprised what follows.
We continuously generate myth. We live in a fictional world. We create fiction. We read fiction. We love fiction. We live in fiction. We dream fiction. We are basically a species spinning its own web out of imagination.
Hope never dies. You still have hope that some knowledge, some effort of your own, or some other person’s wise suggestion is going to help bring you out of this sense of discomfort. Believe me, it’s not going to.
No human idea mimics life. Nothing of human understanding about life can match the symbiosis of life. The life that created itself and maintains a balance is impossible for us to understand. Our intellectual capacity is a simple by-product of life’s capacity to survive and propagate. That’s the whole problem. Always we will understand only a small part. We will never be able to imbibe the entirety.
Be somebody. You will be rewarded if you are somebody. From childhood that desire becomes one of supreme intentionality. And in the religious system, it works in a reverse way—you will become a supreme personality if you can kill your so-called ego completely. Either to be somebody or showing people that you are nobody, it’s the same movement. Anything you do to increase or decrease the so-called self is an exercise in futility.
We have been deeply conditioned to not accept anything without hope. It is the perpetuator of the future. That continuity mechanism in the thinking world is taking you all the time for a ride.
You are always adding momentum to that mechanism, to that thinking process, by convincing yourself that maybe a little more clarity, a little more knowledge, a little more this, a little more that, is going to solve the problem tomorrow. That tomorrow will never come. Because it is not thought, it is not thinking, it is not intellectual understanding—none of these things will help you to see this at all.
Society is occupied by the thinking mechanism and the thinking mechanism itself needs its status quo to bind you up in its game. If you rebel, you are still participating in the game. There is nothing you can do. And when it becomes an absolute certainty that there is nothing you can do and that there is nothing the body has to achieve in terms of social justifications like spirituality, god, love, bliss, beatitude and things like that, you will begin to function in a very different way.
When you have experienced something deeply and have been touched by it, and it has become a functional aspect of your living, then you are not going to buy anybody’s concepts about you. In this regard no one can take you for a ride, even by so-called love and devotion!
If you try to imitate behavior based on your knowledge about a state and try to prove that you are functioning according to its definition, you will definitely falsify yourself. There is no doubt about that, no matter who says what.
The moment you try to control something—say a thought—your dealing with that means you are giving energy to the thought that you are trying to control, giving life to the very thought that you are trying to get rid of. The only way to deal with it is to take its full impact onto yourself and see where it goes. Be frustrated. Be dejected. Be depressed. The body will handle it.
In terms of thinking, as soon as you think something, if there is an agreement with the predominant intention, it is easy, but if there is a conflict and it is difficult to agree, then what happens? To examine why it is not in agreement, it needs a lot more energy, courage and integrity; that is the only way to discriminate the intention.
There is a stage after which you will see you cannot fight against thought; the one who struggles is an outcome of thought. You will try all your life and die in hope, or you will use the lingo to make a living and continue to struggle.
As long as you are using that instrument called thinking, you are demanding something—you want to hear something, you want to experience something. All want is a demand. It is usually off-balance and an energy drain.
It’s a big reaction, a big pain, a big headache when the whole system is pulverized inside to kill the deep thinking process—it is a kind of death. It halts the entire system.
One who looks at life and tries to understand it has not only a very limited and specific capacity, but also gets fragmented by excluding himself. The process of looking is hidden from the outcome of looking; one cannot look at oneself. His ideas exclude the thing that he is looking at and the thing that is making him look. It’s a complex mechanism. It is there for a specific reason and there is nothing more to it.
I have no desire to convince you one way or the other. If you accept one idea, it will lead you to examine another idea and it goes on and on. There is no foundation or fundamental truth that can satisfy you.
No experience can actually tell us the simple inference that God is there or not there. It is a subjective belief, an inference you draw from certain experiences and it’s borrowed from culture. Experience will never tell you, because experience of this can never become a functional reality.
You have invested a lot of time and energy to accept a particular idea. As soon as that idea is not fulfilled, actualized or working in your living, the lack of fulfillment creates a movement inside you—you call it anger, despair, unhappiness, frustration and/or sorrow. You don’t look or reflect at the idea that you are holding onto. It is an entirely fictitious thing.
The body is peaceful. Your demand to bring peace is destroying your peace—it’s torture for the body! Your demand is the single mental act that is responsible for taking you away from the peace that is already there.
There is no way out. Misery is written. What do you do then? It’s a miserable existence. The more you want to get out of that misery to seek happiness the more miserable you will feel. You as you know yourself didn’t create the body, hence you have no right to end its life; then what do you do?
All religious hopes, which promise a better life, or the possibility of going into an advanced spiritual state are in the category of fiction. They have no realistic ground at all, none whatsoever. Hope is always exercised in the space of imagination.
Only total trust can allow the body to straighten things up for you; it slows down all other movements and efforts to bring about a change—your efforts actually deplete important energy. Your usual process is detrimental, opposing whatever one is hoping and expecting. That energy is necessary for the establishment of the order—the order already there—waiting to be born to express itself. Anything that you do is inhibiting its natural process of emergence.
The social dynamics are there to make you feel miserable or proud for the sake of the status quo—they want to use you, to get what they want to get from you, or as U.G. says, by making you want what they want you to want.
Ideas will never reflect life. Life is too complicated, too vast. The significance of this is that you begin to respect your life entirely, and in the same way you respect others’ lives also. You will never look down on anyone because you have touched the foundation where you have seen how impossible it is for you to capture life with thoughts and ideas. Your knowledge is always limited and fragmented.
The concept that “everything is material” was very important to U.G. Krishnamurti. “Thought is matter,” and our concept of time is created in us by our thought, therefore everything is material. There is nothing spiritual and there is nothing to our images. The movement that generates the energy that powerfully beats inside the body is the prime mover of life. That is the whole thing. If this becomes your meditation, you will be surprised what follows.
We continuously generate myth. We live in a fictional world. We create fiction. We read fiction. We love fiction. We live in fiction. We dream fiction. We are basically a species spinning its own web out of imagination.
Hope never dies. You still have hope that some knowledge, some effort of your own, or some other person’s wise suggestion is going to help bring you out of this sense of discomfort. Believe me, it’s not going to.
No human idea mimics life. Nothing of human understanding about life can match the symbiosis of life. The life that created itself and maintains a balance is impossible for us to understand. Our intellectual capacity is a simple by-product of life’s capacity to survive and propagate. That’s the whole problem. Always we will understand only a small part. We will never be able to imbibe the entirety.
Be somebody. You will be rewarded if you are somebody. From childhood that desire becomes one of supreme intentionality. And in the religious system, it works in a reverse way—you will become a supreme personality if you can kill your so-called ego completely. Either to be somebody or showing people that you are nobody, it’s the same movement. Anything you do to increase or decrease the so-called self is an exercise in futility.
We have been deeply conditioned to not accept anything without hope. It is the perpetuator of the future. That continuity mechanism in the thinking world is taking you all the time for a ride.
You are always adding momentum to that mechanism, to that thinking process, by convincing yourself that maybe a little more clarity, a little more knowledge, a little more this, a little more that, is going to solve the problem tomorrow. That tomorrow will never come. Because it is not thought, it is not thinking, it is not intellectual understanding—none of these things will help you to see this at all.
Society is occupied by the thinking mechanism and the thinking mechanism itself needs its status quo to bind you up in its game. If you rebel, you are still participating in the game. There is nothing you can do. And when it becomes an absolute certainty that there is nothing you can do and that there is nothing the body has to achieve in terms of social justifications like spirituality, god, love, bliss, beatitude and things like that, you will begin to function in a very different way.
When you have experienced something deeply and have been touched by it, and it has become a functional aspect of your living, then you are not going to buy anybody’s concepts about you. In this regard no one can take you for a ride, even by so-called love and devotion!
If you try to imitate behavior based on your knowledge about a state and try to prove that you are functioning according to its definition, you will definitely falsify yourself. There is no doubt about that, no matter who says what.
The moment you try to control something—say a thought—your dealing with that means you are giving energy to the thought that you are trying to control, giving life to the very thought that you are trying to get rid of. The only way to deal with it is to take its full impact onto yourself and see where it goes. Be frustrated. Be dejected. Be depressed. The body will handle it.
In terms of thinking, as soon as you think something, if there is an agreement with the predominant intention, it is easy, but if there is a conflict and it is difficult to agree, then what happens? To examine why it is not in agreement, it needs a lot more energy, courage and integrity; that is the only way to discriminate the intention.
There is a stage after which you will see you cannot fight against thought; the one who struggles is an outcome of thought. You will try all your life and die in hope, or you will use the lingo to make a living and continue to struggle.
As long as you are using that instrument called thinking, you are demanding something—you want to hear something, you want to experience something. All want is a demand. It is usually off-balance and an energy drain.
It’s a big reaction, a big pain, a big headache when the whole system is pulverized inside to kill the deep thinking process—it is a kind of death. It halts the entire system.
One who looks at life and tries to understand it has not only a very limited and specific capacity, but also gets fragmented by excluding himself. The process of looking is hidden from the outcome of looking; one cannot look at oneself. His ideas exclude the thing that he is looking at and the thing that is making him look. It’s a complex mechanism. It is there for a specific reason and there is nothing more to it.
I have no desire to convince you one way or the other. If you accept one idea, it will lead you to examine another idea and it goes on and on. There is no foundation or fundamental truth that can satisfy you.
No experience can actually tell us the simple inference that God is there or not there. It is a subjective belief, an inference you draw from certain experiences and it’s borrowed from culture. Experience will never tell you, because experience of this can never become a functional reality.
You have invested a lot of time and energy to accept a particular idea. As soon as that idea is not fulfilled, actualized or working in your living, the lack of fulfillment creates a movement inside you—you call it anger, despair, unhappiness, frustration and/or sorrow. You don’t look or reflect at the idea that you are holding onto. It is an entirely fictitious thing.
The body is peaceful. Your demand to bring peace is destroying your peace—it’s torture for the body! Your demand is the single mental act that is responsible for taking you away from the peace that is already there.
There is no way out. Misery is written. What do you do then? It’s a miserable existence. The more you want to get out of that misery to seek happiness the more miserable you will feel. You as you know yourself didn’t create the body, hence you have no right to end its life; then what do you do?
All religious hopes, which promise a better life, or the possibility of going into an advanced spiritual state are in the category of fiction. They have no realistic ground at all, none whatsoever. Hope is always exercised in the space of imagination.
Only total trust can allow the body to straighten things up for you; it slows down all other movements and efforts to bring about a change—your efforts actually deplete important energy. Your usual process is detrimental, opposing whatever one is hoping and expecting. That energy is necessary for the establishment of the order—the order already there—waiting to be born to express itself. Anything that you do is inhibiting its natural process of emergence.
The social dynamics are there to make you feel miserable or proud for the sake of the status quo—they want to use you, to get what they want to get from you, or as U.G. says, by making you want what they want you to want.
About Guha
Sabyasachi Guha, known as ‘Guha’ by his English-speaking friends, was born on 1st May 1953 in Kolkata, India. Shortly after, his family moved to Hindmotor, West Bengal, a small town situated on the western bank of the Ganges, where he spent much of his early and teenage years. Guha graduated from the Indian Institute of Science in Bangalore, with a Ph.D. in physics and began his career as a scientist at the Indian Space Research Organization. In 1988 he moved to the United States and took up the post as Research Scientist at Rutgers University. He retired in 2007 and now spends his time traveling to India, Europe and throughout the United States meeting with friends and acquaintances responding to people's questions.
Know MoreBooks
Song Of The Sparrow
The Signal
Litany of a Madman
Conversaciones de Guha con la Madre de Dios
In Palm Springs
with U. G. Krishnamurti
Dialogues
An Interview With Guha By Nandini Kapadia
On Will
My Needs Are Specific
Thought Destroys The Rhythm Of Life
Dangerous To Ponder
Videos
Knowledge is the only source of “I” - Saanen, Switzerland 2023
Saanen, Switzerland, 9th August 2023
Length: 38:10
The Unknown - You know nothing about it
Princeton, New Jersey, 4th Nov 2023
Length: 32:46
Functional Realities - Kolkata Series
Kolkata, India, October 2nd 2022
Length: 01:26:28
Interview with Sabyasachi Guha by Shujaat Qayyum
Princeton, New Jersey, USA, March 5th 2022
Length: 2:23:33